particularly if we fall off the fiscal cliff. the united states, the largest economy in the world, but yet we have the largest debt in the world. that's why the conversation needs to go to spending. what are we doing with all this money? unemployment, skyrocketing at 9%, but a slow-down in our gdp. >> sean: the real cliff is what you're saying, down the road, when it's $20 trillion in debt, when it's not $16 trillion. >> doesn't matter. say we put in place revenue to come in to the door, what are we going to do with it? >> sean: they've already spent it. >> that's so true. it's already spent. >> anytime they raise more taxes, more revenue coming in, they spend it. the beast of government is ravenous. they never cut back. you're exactly right, sean, the real fiscal cliff is when the laws of economics kick in, which they will inevitably do, they have to do, because it can't go on like this. you see the results of hitting the wall in greece, in spain, i3 italy. it will happen here. unlike the european countries, there's nobody to ba